Massive Body w/ Jackhammer. Please Read.

[xDCP]

*Please note that I am not one of those players who yells out nerf at everything. I put a lot of hours into a game, and find out how the metagame works before I even begin to say things need a nerf or a buff. This has all been carefully thought out by someone who enjoys this game.*


Now, for the most part yes, the game is balanced. However, the Jackhammer needs a damage nerf.

Now before all of you jump at my throat, consider the following;

The Jackhammer is usually used by the bigger body types which have more health and when combined with armor are harder to take down. Now combine that with the "Horse Healthy" Fun Fact as well as the "Hard Target" Fun Fact and you've got even MORE health with added padding. Now with the Jackhammer not only can they take a lot of damage, they can deal the most damage out of every class as well (unless you use the Jackhammer with the smaller body types, lol). I know most of you will tell me, "Well DCP, they are slower than everybody else, you can run circles around them". False. Sure the heavier body types are slower when it comes to walking speed, but everyone is the same speed when turning and aiming. And you can just adjust the cam speed if anything. Just to be clear I have NO problem with bigger body types. I have a loadout with the massive body type, they are useful in a lot of situations. I just don't think their weapons should have the most output damage since they have the highest mitigation. And this is all without thinking about if the other team is using a healer. Still not convinced?

Maybe this will help you guys out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJkCN238Ps

There is pretty much nothing you can do if the team is coordinated, smart, and using healers. You don't even need a full team as you can see in my video. There are only four of us on a team following the plan. The rest are randoms. Now imagine all SIX of us were on the same page? Pretty unfair if you ask me. Most teams just leave because of how broken this is.

[IDEADIPAIN]

I appreciate what your saying, but in fairness, if you have a well organised, smart team then you should expect to win and destroy the other team. Its up to them to be smart and work together and counter there enemy.

[OhMalley]

That or use the Freeze Gun. It owns all.

[xDCP]

I appreciate what your saying, but in fairness, if you have a well organised, smart team then you should expect to win and destroy the other team. Its up to them to be smart and work together and counter there enemy.

Fair enough. Yet there is no counter to this. You can run a stealth class and try to get behind the enemy and take out their healers, but if they have 3 healers pointing at each other, no amount of damage will take them out. Especially if they are hanging out by a health station as well as someone dropping another one near you. You can have three gunners, three healers, and multiple people using the specs to expose the enemy. At the end of the video, you can see the other team was firing rockets at us from "Base 2" in AM. All 3 of them at the same time was not enough to outdamage mine and Zork's heals.

Not only can we deal the most damage, we can take the most as well.

[M1NDV1RUS]

it is so easy totake them out. toss a bear trap, use ninja to flank, tomahawk their big body, etc...

[xDCP]

it is so easy totake them out. toss a bear trap, use ninja to flank, tomahawk their big body, etc...

It's easy to take out 3+ people firing at you with 3 jackhammers? What loadout are you using? And sure a bear trap MAY eliminate 2 of the people, how about the other 4 healing and firing at you?

[JuiceJive]

What would be the point of using it if it didn't do a lot of damage? It either slows you down, or you pick a slow character to begin with to use it. If you want to go faster, you gotta sacrifice other things.

Should it have some kind of other effect? Less damage but sets people on fire? Or maybe instead of making the weapon heavy, you make it so tiny that only the Speedys and Nimbles can use it?

And I would argue that you could do the same thing in your vid with Partizans instead of Jackhammers to the same effect. A coordinated team of heavys with healers sitting in a deer blind is only vulnerable to a coordinated team that can counter them.

Actually, my personal counter to your team would be to quit and find another match. It's your perogative to play all mobbed up and, apparently, exploiting something that you yourself find to be unbalanced. It's my perogative to ditch you and make it harder for you to find people to play against. If you find something wrong, hold yourself to a higher standard and try to rise above it, or keep being part of the problem.

[IDEADIPAIN]

Fair enough. Yet there is no counter to this. You can run a stealth class and try to get behind the enemy and take out their healers, but if they have 3 healers pointing at each other, no amount of damage will take them out. Especially if they are hanging out by a health station as well as someone dropping another one near you. You can have three gunners, three healers, and multiple people using the specs to expose the enemy. At the end of the video, you can see the other team was firing rockets at us from "Base 2" in AM. All 3 of them at the same time was not enough to outdamage mine and Zork's heals.

Not only can we deal the most damage, we can take the most as well.

True, when you break it down it is a hell of alot of healing lol A bunch of guys using bows might work against your team, fully charged headshots can deal up to 300+ , add a person spamming rockets in there and it MIGHT just work lol Etherway, I very highly doubt you'll go against a team that organised. But anyway, I think you had a pretty awesome thing going, epic statagy xD

[Rebel_Raven]

That or use the Freeze Gun. It owns all.

Freezegun only reallly owns if you can follow it up, or someone else does. I managed to keep a frozen person alive and they thawed. :P

And several things were in your favor:
Yes, you were organized.
You were well fortified.
You had a 2 person advantage which almost always spells defeat for the other team.
And lastly, I think the other team was a bit daft. They just rushed forward into the line of fire like lemmings. Even when they tried to flank, they just ended up staying in the cone of fire as opposed to going around back, popping onto the building from the far side, and bombing/blasting from above, or attack from behind.

Still, even if they did flank that way, all that healing might make it for nil.

[Magicman103]

I think you make some valid points xDCP. And I mean you definitely know what your talking about since your #1 on the leaderboards overall on ps3 :O.