I'm ****ING done.

[xChicago_Bulls]

A shotgun should always be overpowered. (At least what I think.)

[Impostah]

Are you really complaining that a Mighty, Had a Shotty secondary?

Waht.

[CRUSH.v2.01]

the persuader is the only reason why i get some kills at all!

with all that lags when the match making decides it's best to make the guy from siberia host...
then the persuader is still reliable! i just aim and shot where i think an enemy will be somewhen in the next 2-5 sec...
and it works! that's sick...

i need 120 close kills to make it golden...but that's difficult because it's too easy to kill guys across rooms and alleys. absolutly no need to get close with that gun...

i think that says it all! it's way too easy to use...

[Impostah]

Okay, First up. For anyone going to post.

Easy to use =/= Overpowered.

Dawn Patrol, Is easy to use too. But is that OP? Nope.

The Persaudez is powerful, Yes. But there is barely any reason why you should be getting shut down by it. Because making them miss their shots is laughably easy, You shouldn't be trying to for any reason, taking on ANY shotty head-on. Flanking, and movement is key when battling anyone. Esp' the persaudez.

Or they could just be really good with it, But whatever.

[Erickcrash]

Okay, First up. For anyone going to post.

Easy to use =/= Overpowered.

Dawn Patrol, Is easy to use too. But is that OP? Nope.

The Persaudez is powerful, Yes. But there is barely any reason why you should be getting shut down by it. Because making them miss their shots is laughably easy, You shouldn't be trying to for any reason, taking on ANY shotty head-on. Flanking, and movement is key when battling anyone. Esp' the persaudez.

Or they could just be really good with it, But whatever.

you have all reason man

[Impostah]

you have all reason man

Thanks, I've been a Persauz user since Beta. So, I have more then enough know how on what can kill shotty user. Or how to survive against them. I've never found a problem tbh, Maybe a Slight range reduction. But nothing too much, as it's a fine well round weapon. And only someone truly great with it can shut someone down. Which, IMO, How it should be with any weapon.

[DragonClock]

Persuader indeed is overpowered, well at least on PC. Making Persuader user miss their shots? Good luck trying that on PC, I can aim much faster than you can dodge.

[CalDW19940]

The Persuader is strong but not overpowered it's only good if the player can get the jump on their enemy which in most cases makes any gun perform better, if you see someone running directly at you with a shotgun you can handle them in a lot of ways, jumping/staying ouf of effective range/ using air based gadget like spring boots or glider rig/open fire before they get too close/ fight fire with fire and use the persuader, chaperone, katana, king maker, deep freezer or desperado to deal with them upclose.

Having used the Persuader I find it's automatic cousin Chaperone much better for running up into someones face but the Persuader relies on landing that first shot unoticed in order to win most encounters and it's not as good for fighting off groups because of it's pump action and reload time so if you travel with another team mate, a friend or a motivator they will be more inclined to run away from you and live to fight another day rather than alternate their shots between people. If a heavy body type is using it you shouldn't have an issue since they can't catch up with you, if a speedy uses it they are very fragile and only take a few shots to down and against the deep freezer unless they have horse healthy they won't really stand a chance.

This is just my opinion and summary from experience, I like the Persuader but prefer the Chaperone as it seems more aggresive while Persuader seems more last resort or only good with the element of surprise.

[Olessius]

Thanks, I've been a Persauz user since Beta. So, I have more then enough know how on what can kill shotty user. Or how to survive against them. I've never found a problem tbh, Maybe a Slight range reduction. But nothing too much, as it's a fine well round weapon. And only someone truly great with it can shut someone down. Which, IMO, How it should be with any weapon.

This, pretty much. I love using it and I love fighting it because it can make some bouts nicely intense, but it does need to have its range toned down for reasons that should be obvious for anyone that has ever fought with or against it.

The Persuader can be downright monstrous in the right hands, but that doesn't make it OP. The really "OP" weapons in the game are the ones total newbs can pick up and still go positive with. (Like the guy in that other thread with his story of how his girlfriend (who is new to the genre, apparently) actually did fairly well with the Jackhammer despite the fact that she's completely unable to aim properly.)

Oh, and while this might be a bit off-topic, I also think that the Chaperone could use a bit of a buff (not a huge one, though). It's one of my favourite weapons in the game, but it just doesn't do enough damage for how insanely wide its spread is.

[the-baby-shaker]

the gas nerf was an accident and will be fixed with next patch.